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Post by david on Dec 10, 2008 0:54:56 GMT 1
Hi Don, Yes I agree with you about it not being from the hangar. I think that I will eliminate the down pipe on my build since I've yet to see a picture which shows it, in any case, given the way Hachette instruct us to shape the wire it fits in such a way as to partially occlude the portholes not to mention getting in the way of the 2 ladders!
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Post by Mark on Dec 10, 2008 9:18:57 GMT 1
I seem to recall it being referred to as the emergency generator exhaust duct.
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Post by Baz on Dec 10, 2008 10:55:49 GMT 1
Gee interseting information Mark, Swanrail and David. Must admit, I'm a little confused at to their purpose. If the pipes are lagged, I would have expected the lagging be for a purpose ie reduce heat loss If it is a exhaust, double skin piping would seem a more logical and economical answer. And I agree with you Swanrail, the pipe probably comes from the ships internals. But why go to all the trouble of routing it to the the hanger section ? Could they possibly used as a the hanger heating system But to put the cat amongst the pigeons Check out the photo on this page with the back of Hitler in the foreground. www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/germany/pages/battleships/bismarck_page_5.htmUnless I am mistaken, here we have not one, but 2 pipes on the starboard side As to their location, if we look at a detail of the Hachette photo on page 06, (which I have credited, so hope this is OK to place on the site Mark) the location matches that described in the Hachette building instructions, for the port side anyway. Hope I haven't complicated matters too much Baz
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 11:59:32 GMT 1
Interesting about the pipes, not got that far yet, just bought issues 68 and 69 today. Might be awhile before I tackle the mast.
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Post by swanrail on Dec 10, 2008 22:19:54 GMT 1
Hi Baz, the second picture (Hachettes) raises some problems: The mast has the wire cage but fitted with a searchlight, which is not on the picture with Adolf! Likewise, the rangefinder is not seen on the second picture, but a mast type is!! Are we 100% sure that the picture is of the Bismarck?? Unfortunately the one with Adolf has a bad angle so not possible to see clearly our area of interest, sometimes shadows can give false results!!. Mine is positoned as per Hachette instructions so will leave as is (Down to the deck), but not sure that it is correct, but everone seems to get different view points, so does it matter??
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Post by david on Dec 10, 2008 23:03:43 GMT 1
Re Adolf and is it, or is it not the Bismarck, I don't recall ever seeing any images of Der Fuhrer aboard the Tirpitz so I think it must be the Bissy. That pipe, whatever it is, is certainly a fat sucker much bigger than the wire Hachette supplied so I think that Mark must be right about the lagging. Regarding its colour I tend to think it is the same as the superstructure, Hellgrau 50. If it were bare metal it would display specular highlights, instead it seems to share the same level of diffuse reflection as the rest of the ship. By the way, speaking of the Tirpitz, it's namesake Alfred von Tirpitz was the original Anglophile; he spoke English, read English newspapers and English novels and enrolled his two daughters at Cheltenham Ladies College!
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Post by swanrail on Dec 11, 2008 22:14:04 GMT 1
I am sure that the one with Hitler is the Bissy, it is the other picture that does not fit having several wrong details on it. Unfortunately, the one with Hitler does not show where the pipe goes after leaving the hanger top.
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Post by rem2007 on Dec 12, 2008 1:15:24 GMT 1
...just got the Discovery of the Bismarck book as a belated birthday gift and it has some very good photos, I'll check when my eyes are more focussed.
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Post by bruno on Dec 12, 2008 19:22:40 GMT 1
I think too that Hitler in on the Bismarck because, on the Tirpitz the cranes bases are much nearer the center of the ship and one deck upper.
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Post by Baz on Jan 10, 2009 12:57:12 GMT 1
Belated Seasons Greetings to everyone (and Afk - where are you ?) It's been quite a few weeks since I was last on board. We're up to issue 73 down here and I'm starting to get a bit behind. But I have been adding a few minor mods. Festive season and work and no ride-on mower (darn thing threw in the towel about 6 weeks ago). This is my second attempt to post this message and the new kittens are doing their best to sabotage the activity. First off, a couple of piccies of the starboard piping. I will redo the port pipe in copper soon too. A mod to the rear rangefinder deckhouse. Page 6 of 'The Bismarck - History & Destiny' amidships photo shows these, so I discarded my very fine stainless attempt as I was not sure how the paint would stick to it and made the handrails from brass sprue The main mast is a bit of a challenge. I still haven't glued the topmast in place yet, but once again, with reference to photos in 'The Bismarck - History & Destiny' pages 6 and 87, I've made some mods including an extra piece of piping, the rear signal light platform and the ladder access platform above it. Looks like that platform was accessed from a set of rungs. Hope I haven't missed out on too much Baz
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Post by rem2007 on Jan 10, 2009 16:50:40 GMT 1
what issue are you on Baz?
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Post by david on Jan 10, 2009 22:28:49 GMT 1
Excellent work on those mods Baz, your solution to the 'what the devil are those pipe's?' conundrum, sounds logical to me. You are certainly showing a lot of imagination with your build, keep up the good work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 1:21:12 GMT 1
Feel like coming and doing mine baz. - LoL ;D ;D ;D ;D
Have no idea when I'll get going with my build again, if ever!!!!!!
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Post by Baz on Jan 14, 2009 12:49:05 GMT 1
what issue are you on Baz? Caught up a bit over the past week REM. Completed to issue 71, but no decking. Thats way down the track Haven't started the foreward structure yet I've just finished the main mast. Not going to use the supplied wind direction indicator or wind speed sensor. Will leave them off if I can't find a photo and scratch build them. I asked my daughters boyfriend the other day about spraying the mast. He looked at the mast, then at me with disgust & contempt. Seems like I'm committed to buy an airbrush, and paint the superstructure myself................ Win a few, lose a few Baz
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Post by Mark on Jan 14, 2009 16:42:27 GMT 1
I agree about the wind indicators - they are dreadful !! I'm going to scratch build something. I'm sure I've seen a photo in one of the Hachette mags showing them.
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