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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2009 13:51:14 GMT 1
I may need it.
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Post by jason on May 27, 2009 18:05:12 GMT 1
Sounds interesting, would it be period or modern. I think that would be left up to whoever is going to be our teacher lol. But seriously we learnt many things through these partworks. PLanking the Bismarck to decks on the Cutty Sark ( which im building ARRRRRRRRRR lol ). But a project like this we all learn new techniques from each member just like each member came up with Top Tips in each section of this build. Lets hope it goes ahead, cos im EXCITED about this now lol ;D ;D
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Post by Mike B on May 27, 2009 19:45:07 GMT 1
I was thinking has anyone ever done a ship from scratch i.e scratch building. Poulw and myself have both scratch built. We have both built Billing boats kits! ;D ;D
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Post by poulw on May 28, 2009 0:57:53 GMT 1
Hi Jason,
There is a lot more to scratch building than to building a kit, but this is also the fun of it.
First of all, you get absolutely no instructions or any other written material. You will have to find that yourself.
On the other hand, finding a drawing for a build is not that difficult, and if your local hobby shop doesn't have one, a lot of modellers will gladly help, if you put out a request of where to find it. And if you cannot find a drawing in the scale you want to build, a conversion is relatively easy to do on a PC, if you scan it in. The problem with a drawing however is, that it doesn't show details very well. So photos of the ship is a great help (Google).
As a first time scratch builder, I must say that I had great help, in respect to the details, from a cardmodel I bought. This cardmodel not only shows most of the details relatively correct, but also shows me how to make many of them. I just use 0.25mm to 0.5mm styrene sheets instead of paper/card. Maybe an "unfair" method, but it gave me a reasonable start into scratch building. And the 25 Euro for the cardmodel was well spent.
You will also get a lot of challenges, but that is good fun too. You can compare this to doing modifications on a kit - just on a larger scale.
I have taught myself new skills, such as resin casting and vacu-forming to make life easier for myself, when I have had to make multiple identical parts (eg. deck fittings) or complex curved parts (eg. boat hulls).
Expensive tools are not a necessity, only a help to make life easier, and have to be judged by yourself (cost/benefit). Some tools at least worth considering are: - Band or scroll saw - Disc sander
But one thing is for sure; with scratch building you get a satisfaction and a sense of achievement not possible from building a kit, no matter how many modifications you make.
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Post by Baz on May 28, 2009 8:41:20 GMT 1
Hi Jason, There is a lot more to scratch building than to building a kit, but this is also the fun of it. You will also get a lot of challenges, but that is good fun too. You can compare this to doing modifications on a kit - just on a larger scale. Expensive tools are not a necessity, But one thing is for sure; with scratch building you get a satisfaction and a sense of achievement not possible from building a kit, no matter how many modifications you make. Too Twoo Poul Well said....... But you did miss out one important point. Kit v scratch ............. the time factor. I've only completed 1 scratchy job ....... New Bedford whale boat And that was a blast to finish. I will probably attempt a miniature (300mm long give or take)dockyard scratch build of the equivalent of the Mantua 'Dutch whaler'. I have detailed plans of a flute (fluyt) in a book. Might tackle that once Bissie is complete. But given I will not do the Bissie decking until I have the hull complete and painted, it looks like I will not be starting for at least another 18 months. There are a few of us including NZ builders who will be reporting on progress for a millennium. Long live the ...... 'girl' 'boy' Baz
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Post by Baz on May 28, 2009 8:45:38 GMT 1
I was thinking has anyone ever done a ship from scratch i.e scratch building. Poulw and myself have both scratch built. We have both built Billing boats kits! ;D ;D ME TOO !!!!!!!!!! Check my avatar
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Post by Mike B on May 28, 2009 18:39:35 GMT 1
Way to go! ;D
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Post by swanrail on May 28, 2009 23:33:55 GMT 1
I am currently building my third scratch build (the p.s. Waverley). Problem with a group build is that with scratch building you have to make it up as you go along, solving alll the various problems that arise (as per the Richlieu as an example), and I am not sure how this would translate into a group build. My Cutty Sark started off as a Billings kit, but as I worked in London at the time, I visited the ship, took many photos and greatly modified the kit to make it as she actualy is, so I suppose that is another part scratch build? Anyway perhaps it is possible if we can find the right model. As Poulw rightly says, there is a tremendous feeling of satisfaction when the model is complete, as it is uniquely yours. Some of the forum are getting a feel for this by digging out the various photos of the Bismarck and carrying out their own modes to suit. My scratch built models can be seen on my section of the forum under my models, except the Waverley which is under construction now, and due to the fine weather likely to take at least another year to complete!!!!
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Post by nm on May 28, 2009 23:37:12 GMT 1
For accuracy, did you burn your Cutty Sark?!
Hard to get the effect precisely correct.
nm
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Post by markus on May 29, 2009 7:15:35 GMT 1
For accuracy, did you burn your Cutty Sark?! Hard to get the effect precisely correct. nm markus
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Post by swanrail on May 29, 2009 23:28:24 GMT 1
No, my model was completed many years before the disastrous fire, so I have ignored it. On the same basis, do you intend putting your Bizzy on a pond and letting her sink for posterity? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by oldfox on Jun 23, 2009 16:26:24 GMT 1
Hi, I'm new,registered today and now reading that you, UK guys, have reached the end of the Bismarck building project. We here in Belgium (late as always) are expecting the issues 16-19 (building the main deck). Hope you will maintain this site for a while since a lot of Bismarck friends are in earlier stages than you are. Anyhow I like your site very much and will visit it as much as possible. Best regards
Oldfox
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Post by Achtung!! on Jun 23, 2009 16:35:49 GMT 1
Hi Oldfox welcome to the site , home of dancing girls, penguins, matchsticks and sugar cubes (dont ask!) and sometimes rumour has it we actually partake in some buidling. We in Britain are on issue 120/121 so we have 19 issues to go or five months roughly so we are all around for a while longer and there are only a few us actually built our ship up to iss 121 I for example are upto only half that way! Look forward to seeing pictures of your build.
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Post by tanus on Jun 23, 2009 22:32:30 GMT 1
We convicts in aussie,are on issue 97,about as far behind as it took for the first ship to reach australia.You poms have to keep us in line. Tanus
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2009 22:38:29 GMT 1
Welcome Oldfox. Some of us as still stuck in the 70s. I'm still waiting for somebody to invent a pause button for real life, so that I can get on with some proper modelling !!
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