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Post by swanrail on Jul 24, 2009 0:05:11 GMT 1
Haviing now made the two aircraft, I began thinking where they should go. The one with folded wings will go into my open hanger door, the other on the catapault. This however, raised a query. There is just enough room to get the two aircraft into the large aft hanger, but the two by the funnel are much too small, so what were they there for? their max width is much less than 1 aircraft with folded wings, so? ?
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Post by Achtung!! on Jul 24, 2009 8:41:19 GMT 1
A valid point that. As we have even got enough transfers for four aircraft.
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Post by swanrail on Jul 26, 2009 0:34:40 GMT 1
Just found this site showing the aircraft and how they were deployed on the Bismarck. It shows four aircraft, 2 stowed in the main hanger abaft the funnel, and 1 each in the funnel side hangers. Query now is, have Hachette made the a/c too large, or are the two side hangers too small? www.bismarck-class.dk/technicallayout/aircraft/aircraft_scale_plans.htmlAlso note that there are additional stays shown under the aircraft.
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Post by Robert on Jul 26, 2009 9:48:17 GMT 1
I haven't got to that point Don, but you can measure both Amati's hanger and plane with the drawing to find out whether it's the hanger or plane that is out of scale. If you give me their dimensions, I'll investigate and catch the criminal for you.
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Post by mike on Jul 26, 2009 12:14:37 GMT 1
Hi DON I havent got the aircraft yet . But rough guess I suspect its the aircraft, hope Robert can find the answer Hope your well hopfully I see you soon. mike
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Post by swanrail on Jul 27, 2009 0:01:47 GMT 1
Checking the aircraft dimensions as well as the hangers, all seems to be correct. however, the hanger dimensions are correct on the outside as originally supplied, but of course the thickness of the wood is NOT to scale, hence the inerior is much to small on hangers 2 and 3. Similarly, Hachette have reduced the external width dimension of these two hangers by 2mm (that is 400mm in real terms) which does not help. Also discovered how the hanger doors worked; the one with the markings on slides back over the plain one, and the pair then pivot together to open up the whole width. Also my research has shown that the aircraft had crossed wires between the forward and aft parts 1117 and 1118, and there should also be another support from the floats to the underside of the wings. Looking at the brass part in issue 123 which contains parts 1119, etc, there are 4 unmarked Y pieces, which might be cut down to make the extra supports?? From this, I think that I have put my wings on upside down, as on one surface is a small square, which aligns up exactly where the extra strut should fasten. Have not been able to see a clear picture of the aircraft with the wings folded, so as to see where this extra strut went when wings folded back, perhaps removed altogether in this case?
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Post by danny on Jul 27, 2009 5:25:21 GMT 1
I don't know how you guys have fitted your folding wings, but the wings on an arado 196 fold back, and then up, this reduces the width of the plane dramatically. my guess is that some of you have them just folded back, and not rotated upwards.
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Post by Robert on Jul 27, 2009 8:55:13 GMT 1
Well done Danny. And thanks for the posted picture. To Don now to let us know if this solves the problem...
Have a 'K'!
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Post by Achtung!! on Jul 27, 2009 9:11:24 GMT 1
Indeed superb picture.
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Post by nm on Jul 27, 2009 10:56:31 GMT 1
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Post by swanrail on Jul 27, 2009 11:49:44 GMT 1
Thanks Danny for the picture, have seen others with the wings flat, and yours does not have the braces which many others show for the plane!!! Anyway, using official pictures and drawings, I have decided to fit the cross braces and the additional wing braces. I h ave used the unmarked y pieces as supplied in issue 123, and have also fouind that luckily I did fir the wings the right way round, Hachette have marked a dimple on the underside which needs to be drilled and the centre of the y glued in. Here are my attempts (need cleaning up before painting!) As usual, you pays your money and makes your choice!!! and here is an Arado on the Admiral Hipper, note the braces!!
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Post by Achtung!! on Jul 27, 2009 12:04:58 GMT 1
Ah well spotted. Looking good there - have to admit the planes are very fiddly.
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Post by swanrail on Jul 28, 2009 22:53:19 GMT 1
Being lazy, I had not referred to my reference book, Anatomy of the Ship, The Battleship Bismarck. I now find on page 152 a very clear drawing of the Arado 196, showing the additional struts and also the radio aerial and the canopy with extra metal fittings. I have also decided to follow Dannys picture and fold the wings as shown.
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Post by Baz on Aug 1, 2009 0:37:33 GMT 1
Hi guys Its been a couple of weeks, and not much to show on the build side. Bit of catching up to do with all the postings. Firstly BIG Thank you Chill for the photo of the Arado with the ruler showing its size. Comparing that with my scale plans verse stats on the aircraft's dimensions, I can confirm that the Hachette model is to scale (withinin 1 mm). And yes Swanrail, checking, the aircraft drawings at 1:200 scale, the should squeeze into the side hangers if folded up correctly Also here is a picture showing fantastic detail of the method of wing folding. Note the wing seems to hinge about 2/3's the way down where the flaps start. Even the inboard flap is folded up. It also give nice detail of the wire struts and how the folded wings are secured in place Hope this helps all you budding minaturists out there Baz
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Post by swanrail on Aug 1, 2009 22:47:38 GMT 1
Thanks for the picture Baz, shame I could not get it a week earlier as I could have made mine more accurate!! Unfortunately, hinged my wings at the end, so the top "a" section will not now fit properly. The picture also solved another problem I had, with my aerial rigged, it was too high to go into the hanger, but now see that the cunning devils hinged it down!!! As I mentioned before, the hanger OUTSIDE dimensions are correct, except where Hachette trimmed off 2mm on the funnel hangers, it is the inside which is too small, as 4mm of wood is not to scale with the real metal plates!!! Even with the wings now folded correctly, the A/C is too tight to go in. My aircraft are also the exact length of the side hangers on the OUTSIDE, so will hang out by 4mm due to the back walls 4mm thickness.
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