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Post by Mike B on May 29, 2009 20:18:28 GMT 1
This is not a small task at all. What Poul says makes a lot of sense. Scratch building is an art in itself. Not many of us, myself included, have the skills to vac-form or resin/white metal cast, etc. I have just started a scratch build of a Mersey ferry boat, MV Mountwood, circa 1965 and even creating the frame shapes from the lines and offset plans was not a simple task. Also, a lot of people on the forum, myself included, are doing other builds besides Bissie. I spend one weekend a month on Bissie and the rest of the time on my other builds, apart from family commitments. Thus, a lot of members may not have the time required of a scratch build, especially as, to make a success of it, everyone should more or less keep pace with each other. I feel a more successful community project would be another kit build where everything is provided. Each month a goal can be set as to how much build should be achieved per month. That's my sixpenn'orth for what it's worth.
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Post by swanrail on May 29, 2009 23:24:00 GMT 1
As background, my own experiences of scratch building show that a great deal of foresight and planning is needed. e.g. when building the hull, holes need to be drilled for various fittings and electrics if needed. Several times I later found that something needed to be fitted that wanted a hole in what is now an inaccesible place!!! (especially when fitting electrics!) Ordering of suitable timber, materials, specialist items that are hard to reproduce (especially if you do not have lathe facilities), etc need a lot of planning and research to find suitable suppliers, a major project management job if being done on behalf of a group. As an example, I recently bought leds for my Waverley, as model shops charge the earth for these, by web searches mine cost peanuts in bulk (but how big is your bulk?). Pre ordering timber in bulk can save a lot of money in postal charges, but then one day you find that you are a piece too short.............. As much as we think that Bizzy costs a lot, just think of the hundreds and hundreds of high quality construction pictures we got with the mag, I have taken quite a few of my Waverley build, but not to the level of Hachette and not enough for someone else to copy my model. I reckon Poulw might agree with me on that one! My model is based on plans over 30 years old and very much full of errors, basically using then to get the hull shape, then I have quite a few pictures of my own and others to help the build, but unfortunately, like Bizzy itself, things constantly change as we all well know, there is never a definitive ship that can be researched, Had the same trouble with the Victory, where there is a lot of controversy of what the ship ACTUALLY looked like at Trafalgar........ To those new to scratch building, I would suggest a simple model to get experience of going alone, and not to be too ambitious to start with (Poulw is an exception to the rule, he has done marvels), basically practice on the simple model to get the feel of making your own frames, keel and to build the planked hull. Need to learn how to translate frame and keel drawings into the real thing.I would suggest a yacht of some type, which often have hull and frame drawings in Yacht type mags, with pictures of the finished article. Then when you feel ready, move onto say, the Hood but be prepared for much heartache and slog at that level. As Poulw well knows, quite a lot of the bits you make end up in the scrap bin as they do not turn out well! However, the finished article gives one a sense of achievement not possible with a professional kit.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 1:07:54 GMT 1
Sounds like the idea is starting to take off. I do have room for a few more shelves, so could create some more room for another ship.
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Post by Baz on Jun 7, 2009 4:28:08 GMT 1
My personal thought is, that a group - or community - (scratch?) build could be one idea to keep our close "Bismarck Community" together and make this forum move forward. At least a good chunk of it. For me personally: A build in scale 1:200 - it would attract my attention A WWII ship like the Hood or Prinz Eugen - I may join in. Pouwl.........talking of the Prinz Eugen Have you visited this site. www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/In the catalogue of ships, check out the 3 plans for KM Prinz Eugen and then as a companion www.prinzeugen.com/PGplans.htmSadly after a quick run through, from the information supplied, and there seems to be heaps, there is nothing that would allow us to draft hull sections. Fantastic detail of the superstructure and ordinance. Baz
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 5:24:09 GMT 1
I'll put my hand up in helping to run this, when it goes ahead. Right now I'm tending toward something a bit more modern, (partly due to health problems - not sure I could manage rigging a period ship now). An ocean going salvage tug or some sort of merchant ship.
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Post by Baz on Jun 7, 2009 5:29:53 GMT 1
I'll put my hand up in helping to run this, when it goes ahead. Right now I'm tending toward something a bit more modern, (partly due to health problems - not sure I could manage rigging a period ship now). An ocean going salvage tug or some sort of merchant ship. Hi Sky How's it all going up your way ? Was hoping things would be on the improve for you. Does the weather have an effect on your condition ? Baz
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 5:33:27 GMT 1
Well yes and no, when rain is coming things can get a bit worse, but then improve a bit when it fines up, but not always. Doctor did say on the TDR, (Treating Doctors Report) for Centerlink, that my shoulder problems were likely to get worse over the next 2 years, btw nothing can be done about tourettes, YET!!! Been having a bit of rain up here.
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Post by Baz on Jun 7, 2009 5:39:32 GMT 1
Bit of rain down our way too Sky ........ mind you we need it Took until May to get a puddle in the dam. Still not enough to float Bissie ........ Hope you have some improvement soon. Bluenose has rigging and Bissie needs exceptionally steady hands - with all this exacting detail being thrown at us. Look after yourself matie Baz
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2009 11:20:05 GMT 1
Any more thoughts on this.
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Post by Achtung!! on Nov 20, 2009 11:40:34 GMT 1
Well you can help me with my Bissy as its mothballed at the moment!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 8:42:24 GMT 1
Just hope the gas masks from the dancing girls work then. ;D ;D ;D
Mothballs have a strong smell. ;D ;D ;D
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