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Post by swanrail on Oct 18, 2007 20:59:37 GMT 1
Just a warning to those thinking of following Davids brave example (hats off to him), but be aware that the superstructure will need qujite a bit of modification, effectively scrapping all the bits we receive. Page 51 of the Anatomy book shows a very clear picture of the cross section by the funnel at the same scale as our model. The camber is 2.5mm at the centre here, gradually reducing for and aft of this point. Note that the decks above must also have the same camber. This means that all the cross beams need to be recut top and bottom to keep the profile, the bottom plates, being quite thick ply, need to replaced with more bendy material as per the decks above. As most of the decks are covered with fittings, it will be very hard to see any camber at all, which is probably why the model has not bothered, it is really a job for experienced modellers, not beginners. not sure if the brass etchings are also involved, but to modify these would be nigh on impossible. (rails? ) The picture on the front of each issue is of the model, where there is NO camber- but it still looks good!! Personally, I do not think it is worth the effort, but good luck to those that do. Ref accuracy of the model, all models are limited in their accuracy by the scale factor. Models like the Jap battleship (see elsewher on forum) are so large that minute detail is possible and looks good, whereas a scale of 500 to 1 cannot shop rivets, etc. Our model at 200 to 1 is quite demanding, but cannot include opening doors and working door handles!!!
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Post by david on Oct 18, 2007 23:53:05 GMT 1
Don is correct to issue a warning on this subject, as I’ve done myself. This modification seems to be terra incognita for most of us and a decision to proceed must be to some extent a calculated risk. In choosing to take this route I’ve weighed the benefits of a camber, which is ultimately a matter of individual taste, against the consequences of the Amati parts not fitting. The aft superstructure upper deck behind the funnel is perhaps the most challenging, where, as Don rightly points out, there are railings to wrap around the bays for the 15cm turrets. Theoretically, this means that as they curve around these bays, they will be seated on a sloping deck, but actually, I think we may only be talking about a fraction of a millimetre. Don’s general point about the visibility of the camber on the upper decks is fair; on the forward superstructure, it will be difficult to see it at all, however I believe that the aft superstructure, being very open, will be noticeable particularly where it contrasts with the straight line of the aircraft catapult. Regarding the photo-etched parts, I am extrapolating my plans from the hangar height, where Amati seem to have used the larger dimension, a little way down the camber, rather than the shorter one over the axis, which serves my purpose better. Now this may not apply on the walls sitting on the main deck and if so, it would require some creative solutions, and I’ll be the first to hold up my hands if this goes pear-shaped and take flak, but at this stage I’m not too concerned. A final point raised by Don is the crossbeams on the upper decks; only the upper parts of these would need modification, and little of that. To seat these superstructures and barbettes, etc. on the main deck I’d always planned to remove the material from the deck rather than shape the bases of these individual parts because I think it will be quicker and easier to obtain a clean result, and as Don says, they’re not very bendy. If anyone has more spanners to wedge in these works, do please speak up, its not too late to scrape my deck clean and retire with tail between legs. It would be particularly interesting to see some detailed pictures of Markus’s build when he starts cladding the aft superstructure with the PE parts, hint, hint! David
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Post by markus on Oct 19, 2007 12:22:34 GMT 1
....It would be particularly interesting to see some detailed pictures of Markus’s build when he starts cladding the aft superstructure with the PE parts, hint, hint! David next week we'll receive the first wooden veneer part of the superstructure having this one fitted will allow me to mount the PE parts will post some detailed pics next weekend (for the bravest bismarck builder on earth) ;D cheers markus
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Post by eric on Oct 19, 2007 12:29:19 GMT 1
Don't call him brave Markus, it'll REALLY panic him!
I'm going to be glued to my computer waiting to see you new pics!!!
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Post by markus on Oct 19, 2007 12:54:23 GMT 1
oops, didn't intend to make him panic... looking at his (well done) first rc setup i think he will also manage to mount the superstructure on the cambered deck one of the superstructure parts has no etchings on the wall from left to right, only echted doors are glued onto the wood this will hopefully make it easier to fit the superstructure.. DAVID, YOU'LL MAKE IT
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Post by yoddhâ on Oct 19, 2007 13:50:07 GMT 1
As I said, Improvise, Adapt and Overcome ;D
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Post by eric on Oct 19, 2007 14:12:02 GMT 1
Which is what Scotland is going to need to do BIG time to beat Italy.....oh dear, oh dear.
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Post by napoleon on Oct 19, 2007 17:14:56 GMT 1
Don't worry Eric, Scotland's curling team is made of stern stuff!!!! ROFL ;D ;D ;D
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Post by david on Oct 19, 2007 21:23:23 GMT 1
Music to my ears Markus, thanks. My panic level has now gone down to 'DEFCON 4.5'! Looking forward to seeing your pictures. Hang on a while longer though before giving me the bravery award, lets hope that I'm not the blind leading the blind! David.
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Post by swanrail on Oct 19, 2007 22:15:24 GMT 1
I shall watch your efforts with great interest, and you certainly deserve to succeed!!! (but I shall chicken out on this one, the revolving turrets are giving me enough aggro).
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Post by david on Oct 20, 2007 12:29:55 GMT 1
Don, I'm looking forward to seeing how you resolve this because I would certainly like motorise my own turrets. Do you also plan to motorise the various rangefinders? David
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Post by david on Oct 20, 2007 14:47:03 GMT 1
Markus, do you mean the finishing veneer for the superstructure deck? David
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Post by markus on Oct 20, 2007 15:09:14 GMT 1
Markus, do you mean the finishing veneer for the superstructure deck? David of course !! markus
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Post by david on Oct 20, 2007 15:55:08 GMT 1
Just seen your lovely picture Markus. Exciting and very encouraging! When you're ready to, please post a picture from the side as well. Thanks, David
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Post by markus on Oct 20, 2007 17:07:04 GMT 1
Just seen your lovely picture Markus. Exciting and very encouraging! When you're ready to, please post a picture from the side as well. Thanks, David
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