blane
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bismark
Mar 29, 2007 22:01:29 GMT 1
Post by blane on Mar 29, 2007 22:01:29 GMT 1
If the Bismarck would have had the Graf Zeppelin and maybe 1 or 2 escorting destroyers behind her You set up this statement nevertheless. BS with GZ and escort destroyers in the Atlantic
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bismark
Mar 29, 2007 22:12:37 GMT 1
Post by paul on Mar 29, 2007 22:12:37 GMT 1
OK, Thats your point - but, if the GZ would have been comissioned as planned, the general plans maybe would have been changed in general - how about an attack against GB supported by a fleet of strong vessels, i. e. GZ, Bismarck and probably the Prinz Eugen and maybe others, that were availabe at that time ? - a straight attack might have been an alternative to hunting loads of merchant ships scattered over the Atlantic Cheers Paul
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Post by nige1912 on May 9, 2007 18:32:27 GMT 1
"sorry forgot to mention bismarck was scuttled not sunk by r n."
Hi Chrispy,
Sorry but I have to gently disagree with you on this.
During Birmarck's final action a lot of compartments were flooded in an attempt to fight the raging fires, but Dr Robert Ballards expedition to the wreck some years ago, clearly showed massive amounts of underwater damage from the torpedo hits achieved by the British cruisers.
Cheers, Nige
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Post by chris on May 14, 2007 9:36:54 GMT 1
yes and it proved that the toepedo protection was blown off but the armoured deck behind was intact so the germans, did scuttle her.
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bismark
May 14, 2007 22:30:06 GMT 1
Post by nige1912 on May 14, 2007 22:30:06 GMT 1
No Not Quite.
Any Ship of any size takes a great deal of time to sink by scuttling. It's not simply a matter of opening a valve and ten minutes later she's on the bottom. Even with explosive charges, a ship as compartmentalised as Bismarck would take hours to sink by scuttling alone and history tells us that after almost three hours of pounding by the Royal Navy, she was already massively damaged and flooding heavily enough to be listing quite severely.
Once the torpedoes struck, the extra damage inflicted by them caused huge flooding and accelerated the sinking process, causing her to capsize.
No question of her being sunk by scuttling, it's simply not possible to sink a ship that big, that fast by scuttling. ;D
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bismark
May 14, 2007 23:07:15 GMT 1
Post by southendnick on May 14, 2007 23:07:15 GMT 1
She had taken one hell of a pounding from the Royal Navy and was sinking, the blowing of the scuttling valves only incresed the rate of the sinking there was noway she could have been salvaged by the Royal Navt had the Germans not blown the charges the speed she was taking on water would have been increased by taken her under tow was the water would have been forced into the hull at a higher presure than as she was adrift.
The sinking was all down to one torpedo fired from one out dated aircraft the Fairy Swordfish sunk the Bismarck.
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Post by chris on Jun 28, 2007 9:38:13 GMT 1
2 things did p. eugan or bis fire the fatal shot at hood? 2nd what if bis had made it to brest?
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bismark
Jun 28, 2007 10:20:08 GMT 1
Post by Achtung!! on Jun 28, 2007 10:20:08 GMT 1
According to my history knowledge it was the Bismarck that fired the shot at HMS Hood.
As for getting to Brest - pure speculation of course - but I can only assume it would come under the air cover and put into dock got fixed and sent out again either on its own or as part of a group causing havoc in the Atlantic.
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bismark
Jun 28, 2007 10:42:39 GMT 1
Post by Mark on Jun 28, 2007 10:42:39 GMT 1
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bismark
Jun 28, 2007 11:30:00 GMT 1
Post by Achtung!! on Jun 28, 2007 11:30:00 GMT 1
Thanks for that - very interesting reading.
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bismark
Jun 28, 2007 17:10:20 GMT 1
Post by jason on Jun 28, 2007 17:10:20 GMT 1
Does anyone have any sites where they have pics of how she is now under the sea like we have for the titanic.
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bismark
Jun 28, 2007 18:30:17 GMT 1
Post by paul on Jun 28, 2007 18:30:17 GMT 1
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bismark
Jun 28, 2007 21:06:29 GMT 1
Post by jason on Jun 28, 2007 21:06:29 GMT 1
Cheers for that Paul, its a very interesting site.
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Post by Achtung!! on Jun 29, 2007 8:38:46 GMT 1
It doesnt look real does it? And the quality of the wreck is remarkable after 60 odd years.
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andy
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bismark
Jun 29, 2007 10:11:00 GMT 1
Post by andy on Jun 29, 2007 10:11:00 GMT 1
Considering 2876 shells were fired at her during the battle.
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