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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2008 15:25:18 GMT 1
Hello Afkmatrix. Thanks for the information. I was looking through Dons forecastle info and he said 270mm wide. I sure he means 207mm wide. The triangular lines towards the stern more ropes to hold a pole (boom) when it was slung out used for distance between say jetty and ship so props would not get damaged. The forward ones were used to tie up the small boats when not in use. See anatomy of the ship page 40 A3/2 number 24.(boat boom).
Matt
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2008 15:35:29 GMT 1
Afkmatrix. Just looked this up. The Bismarck History and Destiny page 70 shows the propeller guard. Page 73 shows booms extended and some small boats tied up. Hope that helps?
Matt
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 21, 2008 16:48:33 GMT 1
Thanks for that matt, just wondered really as I have only looked at the pictures in the book as I havn't had the time to read either the book or the magazine I won't be putting these on my R/C model though as I would think they'll get knocked off pretty quick.
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Post by swanrail on Feb 21, 2008 22:31:57 GMT 1
Sorry about that, I should have said 247.5, not 270mm: This figure was calculated from the Anatomy book, From the book, page 41, to bow end measures 9mm according to my rule. Multiply by 550 and divide by 200 gives 247.5mm!!!
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Post by swanrail on Feb 21, 2008 22:37:57 GMT 1
Ref the booms, on page 34 of the book you will see two sets of booms, one was for the boats as stated, the other one was for rigging the paravanes when mine sweeping, as shown in one of the recent issues. There is anothe paravan set towards the stern.
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Post by swanrail on Feb 22, 2008 23:00:45 GMT 1
I am afraid that the breakwater may have been giving misleading info, to put the record straight, to cutout piece at the forward end is indeed 200mm wide, my measurements were of the breakwater itself, which is the 247 mm figure. In my case, I have fitted a margin plank on the fixed deck of approx 2mm wide, in the centre of which (or more towards the bow to be correct), the breakwater will be attached when it arrives. Asternof the breakwater there are support brackets, which is why the breakwater cannot be on the edge of the cutout. Hope that clarifies any misunderstandings???
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 22, 2008 23:51:42 GMT 1
Quick question Swanrail. I see you have added a border to the break water where the fixed foredeck meets the removable one. I am just wondering how wide this is as I was thinking 5mm? And I also assume you have it around 1mm above the deck so that the decking can butt up against it correct?
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Post by swanrail on Feb 23, 2008 0:08:46 GMT 1
Yes, mine is actualy 4mm by 1mm all round (see my notes on the foredeck planking). I have now fitted about 40% of the deck planking, and it all is being sanded down to slightly less than 1mm finished., as can be seen in my pictures of the foredeck. I am very pleased with the joint at the foredeck, it is now invisible (but making sure that it still lifts out, can be glued up permanently if not careful!!!). I have also decided to join the stern piece on as well,(and have done so), there will still be a crack across the hull, but only the one now and that is relatively narrow. It also allows me to fit all the gun turrets on the one piece, which simplifies the servo wiring. Lifting in and out is a bit fiddly, but should not be necessary very much, have yet to work out the best way when fully fitted!!!!
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 23, 2008 0:17:56 GMT 1
Nice Swanrail. Think I will leave the stern deck separate for now, so its easier to life the middle section. And just to clarify I am meaning this part that I have outlined in red, I am just wondering at the dimensions as to me it looks around 5mm x 5mm with 1mm of that protruding above the foredeck to accommodate the deck planking I will be doing.
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Post by swanrail on Feb 23, 2008 0:52:44 GMT 1
Yes, that is part of the margin planks, and should be glued to the deck prior to planking, as I said,the planks all round, including the part in red are all 4mm by 1mm. On real ships, these margin planks are necessary to prevent the ingress of water into the end grain. A lot of modellers (including Bismarck professional ones) miss thes out, possibly because they do not understand how ships are built!!! (Jotika failed to fit them on their Granado kit, and they are supposed to be highly accurate models!!). Note on real ships the planks are actually set into the margin planks, leaving a zig-zag effect, but at 200 to 1 it is not worth doing. On the Hachette Titanic, the scale is so small it was not worth even fitting the margin planks, but then we had simulated planking on there!!!
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 23, 2008 1:57:42 GMT 1
Thanks for that so is that part in red kind of overlapping the join between the fixed deck and the removable one? As on my front removable deck there is a slight discrepancy between the 2 halves that I am going to have to sand down, so was thinking that if I take 4mm off and glue that red thing in between it would be a flush joint.
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Post by swanrail on Feb 23, 2008 12:57:19 GMT 1
No my breakwater margin plank is wholely on the fixed part (see my latest Foredeck posting). It has to be there for the breakwater itself to fit properly, remember that there will be triangular supports coming with it.
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Post by matt on Feb 23, 2008 20:15:56 GMT 1
Hello Don. Following with great interest the forecastle and main deck planking looks very good. Just getting ready to fit my margin planks. Waiting arrival of stores. The 1:200 plan still not arrived. Although you are not yet doing the stern planking have you given any thought to the joint between the removable deck and part 63?
Matt
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Post by swanrail on Feb 24, 2008 0:12:33 GMT 1
Hi Matt, havent quite got there yet, but expect it will be left as a straight cut, anything else would be a problem. luckily, it is not too wide there. Not sure if it lines up with the swastika marking on the deck or not, but I doubt if I will put one on in any case.
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Post by david on Feb 25, 2008 17:11:42 GMT 1
Hello Don. Following with great interest the forecastle and main deck planking looks very good. Just getting ready to fit my margin planks. Waiting arrival of stores. The 1:200 plan still not arrived. Although you are not yet doing the stern planking have you given any thought to the joint between the removable deck and part 63? Matt Hi Matt, You mentioned 1:200 plans; do you mind telling me who publishes them; damned if I can find any! Thanks, David
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