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Post by jim on Jan 24, 2008 17:55:07 GMT 1
I would like improve the portholes and was wondering if anyone knows where to get the little brass insets (don't know what they are called) that are used to line the drilled holes. They look like the metal rings that are used to make belt holes but a lot smaller. I built an Artesania model of the Elcano years ago and they came with the fittings, but have had no luck finding any. Any ideas peeps?
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Post by Mike B on Jan 24, 2008 19:06:43 GMT 1
They are called eyelets. your best bet is e-bay or a craft shop that deals with scrapbooking etc. You could also try a model shop that can order parts from the Artesania Latina catalogue.
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Post by jim on Jan 25, 2008 13:34:43 GMT 1
Have already tried my local craft shop they dont have any small enough, tried Artesania website but I cant read it. (why cant foreigners speak English lol) will try Ebay. Thank you.
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Post by afkmatrix on Jan 25, 2008 17:01:25 GMT 1
Hi Jim,
Can you tell me how big in diameter you need these eyelets?
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Post by eric on Jan 25, 2008 23:48:33 GMT 1
Talking of portholes, I am busy putting in the second line of portholes and according to "The Anatomy Of A Ship" on the port side, the second porthole back of the top row is blanked off....is this correct?
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Post by afkmatrix on Jan 25, 2008 23:57:00 GMT 1
I haven't reached the porthole bit yet still doing my 2nd planking. But I see in issue 54 we will be adding the second row of portholes but in the photos the hull has been primed etc. Surely if I go poking holes into the hull after I have Primed and Glattfixed it it will affect the water tightness of the hull? Should I do these holes before I Glattfix and Prime my hull?
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Post by eric on Jan 26, 2008 0:03:14 GMT 1
Personally, that is exactly what I am doing just now, I could not see the logic of all this glattfixing and painting.....just to go and drill out a bunch of new holes in it!!
Some of the steps of the build are most definatly out of sequence.
The only problem of course is that I am doing this without the template Hachette will supply later, but if I am a little inacurate, well, thats my own fault!!!!!
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Post by swanrail on Jan 26, 2008 0:26:39 GMT 1
The impression I am getting looking at issue 54 on the German link, is that we are expected to drill through the hull. If so, how can we make watertight??
In particular, we cannot get behind the portholes at the bow end. Wonder if our German friends have an answer on this one?
Ref the glattfix and painting, the glattfix seals the wood, and possibly allows a cleaner cut when drilling, as the wood will be harder, at least that is my theory!! Likewise the priming paint will toughen up the surface, and any damage is easily made good as it is advisable to put on several coats of primer.
My hull is already taking a battering as it is being moved constantly as I work on it, (I landed up with several small dents in the 2nd planking because of this) and my work space is not all that big. So I am painting the hull to safeguard it now, and not to wait another year before doing so!!
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Post by swanrail on Jan 26, 2008 0:34:23 GMT 1
Just had a few further thoughts-
My model of the Br. Chancellor (pictures elsewhere) has brass lined portholes. The brass is 4mm tubing, cut into short lengths with the metal cutting discs on my Minicraft drill, about 3mm deep. It is a fiddly job, but well worth it.
After fitting, I then filled in the centre with araldite to represent the glass.
With the Bismark, you would need 3mm tube, cut to about 3mm lengths, then fill with a clear glue, such as araldite, THEN press into the hull, possibly holding with superglue??
Just a thought if anyone cares to give it a go, but with about 100 portholes or more ..............................
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Post by afkmatrix on Jan 26, 2008 0:36:29 GMT 1
Well I recived my Anatomy of Bismarck book today, very nice book imo. And what I am thinking is to scan in the pages showing the portholes, put it into photoshop and scale the drawing up to 1/200 and then print these out as my templates, do you think this could work?
Mind you I have just gone back and looked and tbh why not wait till issue 54 before priming it/glattfixing it as from what I can see after the issue where they prime the hull they then switch to the superstructure and never touch the hull till issue 54. So just wait get the template poke ur holes and then prime it??
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Post by swanrail on Jan 26, 2008 0:40:45 GMT 1
Here is a close up of my Br Chancellor, if you look carefully at the portholes, you will find them brass lined.  |
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Post by afkmatrix on Jan 26, 2008 0:45:28 GMT 1
Just had a few further thoughts- My model of the Br. Chancellor (pictures elsewhere) has brass lined portholes. The brass is 4mm tubing, cut into short lengths with the metal cutting discs on my Minicraft drill, about 3mm deep. It is a fiddly job, but well worth it. After fitting, I then filled in the centre with araldite to represent the glass. With the Bismark, you would need 3mm tube, cut to about 3mm lengths, then fill with a clear glue, such as araldite, THEN press into the hull, possibly holding with superglue?? Just a thought if anyone cares to give it a go, but with about 100 portholes or more .............................. Well what about these mini eyelets would these work? hobby.uk.com/shop/prodpages/page-80039.htmlAlso I have found a place that do small rivets, I can't see clearly on the images of Bismarck but are there any rivets showing on the hull? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2008 9:42:05 GMT 1
From the photos I've seen of the Bismarck, I don't think there are any rivets. Very large hull to be all welded construction though.
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Post by jim on Jan 26, 2008 11:41:11 GMT 1
Ive located a source for eyelets a company called Attwells in Rochdale manufacture eyelets in all shapes and sizes. I have requested a price for their product no. L585 it has a 2mm barrel and a 3.2mm shoulder. I reckon they should do since the portholes are 2mm holes. here is a link to their website for anyone interested. www.atwellengineering.co.uk scroll down to universal eyelets they look pretty good as portholes. |
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Post by jim on Jan 26, 2008 11:46:15 GMT 1
I would like to thank Mike B for telling me what they were called. its amazing how much easier knowing what to look for makes life. lol. and everyone else who made suggestions.
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