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Post by trev on Oct 12, 2007 22:08:02 GMT 1
I know when the trouble n strife bought her new pc for herself it had vista on it.
She has had the pc for about 4 months now and still trying to come to grips with it.
I have windows parralels on my mac but have it running xp (only boot it up as windows if want to run a windows game etc)
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Post by napoleon on Oct 14, 2007 23:41:51 GMT 1
One of my friends is a professional programmer and he reckons Windows Vista is rubbish and also slow!!!
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Post by Mark on Oct 14, 2007 23:59:24 GMT 1
My brother has just recevied his new Dell. Now he has discovered that Vista doesn't support his USB modem Grrrrr. Not sure if it's just his USB model, or all USB modems, but now he's had to order a router. I don't think I'll bother with Vista as long as I can avoid it - seems like it's a good excuse for compaines to make you buy a new set of perrif... pheraf.... er.... gadgets !!
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Post by nemesis on Oct 15, 2007 0:01:38 GMT 1
Yep, I'm fast getting the impression that many, many pieces of hardware are incompatibe with Vista. Usually companies are rushing around developing drivers for a new OS months before it's even released. Why they haven't this time is beyond me.
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Post by napoleon on Oct 15, 2007 9:06:58 GMT 1
Somewhere over the rainbow.......... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by russ on Oct 15, 2007 10:43:34 GMT 1
Ive got vista yet ive also got xp on the same compo vista is slow unless you have enough ram and also a lot of softwhere is incompatiable wich includes my mosty needed this the motherboard disk however in jan 08 the last service pack for xp service pak 3 (out in beta) isd reliesed and the evrer good 1st service pack for vista is out so hopefully a lot of program and accesory errors fixed
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Post by nemesis on Oct 15, 2007 10:54:15 GMT 1
Ahh, the dredded service packs. They tend to screw up as much as they fix but hey, at least they're consistent.
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Post by yoddhâ on Oct 15, 2007 12:58:50 GMT 1
One of the major problems is is that Microsoft tries to listen to too many people at once - when you consider some 80% of the World use "Windows" in one flavour or another they are trying to keep everyone happy - Having worked for MS in the past I realised that the task they themselves have created is almost impossible to satisfy; on the one hand you have the industrial strength users and on the other you have the casual user, now to trying and come up with a “satisfy all operating system” just ain't gonna' happen! When you had “Windows” original it was next to useless for anyone other than people that understood it's applications (before that you had various OS like the Sinclair brand etc. but in most cases the “computer” system was UNIX based main-frame and used terminals instead of “Stand-a-lone” PC's), but then someone said, OK now we have PC's that are more powerful but they are stand-a-lone, we need them to talk to each other. OK so we had MODEMS that used telephony systems which was OK for remote office applications; ah! But we are in the same office, OK we'll release Windows for Workgroups, sorted! Wrong! and so it has grown into the monster we know today. I would have been OK if company computer boffin's ( ) had not decided to take home the home the first copies of NT to see if they would work on their home PC's because then we may well have had a “casual user OS” and a “industrial user OS” but then that is human nature we always want the best – regardless! I'm not, by any means, an advocate of Microsoft and indeed were trained by them, but I have sympathy for them on one hand but contempt on the other – they should pick a market and stick to it 100%, THEN and only then will you get a OS that works 1st time, every time of ALL it's users. There is obviously a lot more to be said on the whys and wherefores of the OS issue but the best advice I could give is stick with what you know because the moment you swap OS's you are opening up a whole can of worms – Don't fix what ain't broke! One of the downsides to all these “Upgrades” of OS is that they become increasingly memory hungry to do the same task, compare Windows 95 (for the home market) with Vista (Home & Industrial), their requirements are Worlds apart, literally! ALWAYS REMEMBER – What EVER Microsoft recommend as the minimum system requirements – DOUBLE IT! IF YOU WANT ANYWHERE NEAR THE QUOTED PERFORMANCE. And always consult the HAL (Hardware compatibility list) if you not sure if something will work with that flavour OS.
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Post by napoleon on Oct 15, 2007 14:11:22 GMT 1
Got to disagree with you somewhat Cliff. Starting with the earliest version of Window, you obviously have the model for future versions. Therefore, surely MS only need to tweak and improve that previous version, thus maintaining compatability. But no, instead, they introduce new versions, bugged to the nines and expect you, the PAYING CUSTOMER, to put up with pile upon pile of updates which usually cause more probs than they fix. You wouldn't expect to buy a car that wasn't 100% mechanically stable and suitable for your needs, you would soon take it back!! So I'm afraid to say that Microsoft get no sympathy from me.
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Post by yoddhâ on Oct 15, 2007 15:47:25 GMT 1
Be honest, how many people do you know that have paid FULL price for the OS? Not too many, I'll bet But you see that is what I am saying, if they concentrated on getting the OS right in the 1st instance then it should only be a matter of "tweeking" but that is not the case. They are trying to satisfy a too larger user base based on any already dodgy product, not only that, but the "stand-a-lone" project team systems they use prove that although it works on paper and in theory, once you add in the hardware which is in ALL cases unpredictable because of the nature of the quantum physical properties of the various components, like the silicon chip (1 single particle will ruin that chip), that all this technology and theory is based around that it all becomes unstable. For instance Intel says that their product can do x, y and x and AMD says theirs also does x, Y and z; what both don't say is that y and Y are different in their tolerances therfore inherent problems are already there that nobody knows about because they haven't been disclosed because of the nature of the silicon and it's production. It is all relevent at this level of detail - as we all know one 0 or one 1 in the wrong place renders the whole system prone to failure. This technology is still in it's infancy and we (Humans) place far too much importance and trust in it - "Sorry sir I can't help you with your enquiry because the computer are down", why? because we are still infants in this technology - cars are more reliable, why? because they have been around a lot longer and use olde, tried, trusted and reliable technology - (That was until some, excuse pun, "bright spark", decided to use on-board computers to control cars; since then the car has become more unrealiable in is't use - ask any AA or RAC man). Am I right, or am I right?
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Post by russ on Oct 15, 2007 17:29:37 GMT 1
ms are gettin greedy i think they bring to many versions out i mean there is about7/8 versions of vista WHAT IS WRONG WITH JUST THE ONE
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Post by Achtung!! on Oct 15, 2007 17:35:44 GMT 1
Thats far to simple - to have one version.
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Post by nemesis on Oct 15, 2007 20:38:09 GMT 1
I've always found Microsoft to be completely neanderthal in their business methods. They know full well that we have very little choice other than to use Winblows. Yes there is MAC and Linux but neither of these are ideal, especially for the home user.
Knowing this, rather than aiming their business model at being helpful and supportive of their customers, they choose instead to screw as much money as often as they can from them. Releasing a completely new OS every couple of years whilst withdrawing support for previous ones, being their chief method.
Most ppl hate moving to a new OS because they know what it entails. It entails being a Beta tester for Microsoft for a couple of years. Even if you choose to pay the just over £100 for a full copy of Winblows, you know it's actually going to be nowhere near a "full" version and will be incessantly downloading service packs and patches to fill numerous security holes.
Their business practices are shoddy to say the least. They've been dragged through the courts and fined numerous times for breaking anti-trust laws and monopolising the market.
A classic example is when my dad ordered his new rig. He was given the option of having McAfee anti-virus software installed. He selected "no". What was the first thing that popped on the screen when he booted his new puter up for the first time? Yep, a trial version of McAfee anti-virus because it comes with winblows. Not to mention Winblows email progs, Winblows media players, winblows this, that and the other. After setting up my dads new rig, I spent hours getting rid of all the useless and unwanted garbage that comes as standard with winblows, and then downloading and installing stuff that works. I'll have to go all through that again when my own new rig arrives.
IMHO, Microsoft should concentrate on the OS, rather than trying to elbow it's way into every conceivable cumputer-related market going. Maybe in that way they wouldn't be a jack of all trades and master of none.
I have no doubt the guys on the ground at Microsuck are at the top of their game, it's just a pity the company's management are a bunch of money grubbing pirates.
Right! that's my rant of the day over with. Over to you, lol.
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Post by Achtung!! on Oct 15, 2007 20:52:56 GMT 1
Erm pretty much covered all the bases with that rant
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Post by yoddhâ on Oct 15, 2007 22:02:27 GMT 1
Guys, Hear, hear nem, Bottom line - Microsoft are and always will be a money making machine - Bill Gates et al are ONLY in it for the cash rewards - Lock, stock and 2 smoking barrels! Open source is the way to go BUT and it's a really BIG BUT you have to put up with the glitches - there again that is what open source is all about - find a bug, fix it and move forward - Microsoft ethos - find a bug, ignore it UNLESS you can make MORE MONEY! Nuff said - as they say; if the automobile industry had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce today would cost £100, get a million miles to the gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside. Thank your lucky stars Bill Gates wasn't Henry Ford! LOL! Microsoft - Highly predictable yes, 100% reliable I think not! Bear this in mind and you won't go far wrong. Windows - The Next Generation Picard: "Data... I understand that you have installed the latest version of MS Vista into your positronic brain. Was this wise to do?" Data: "I am functioning within normal parameters." Picard: "Fine... Please calculate the success percentage of our latest mission." Data: "Yes, sir." (5 minutes later) Picard: "Mister Data... I asked you for that percentage." Data: "I am performing the task you have ordered, sir." Picard: "Well then... what's taking so long?" Data: "I no longer function at the speed levels I used to, sir. However, I am much cheaper to upgrade." Picard: "Are you saying that you sacrificed what you had before to change to this new system? That's MAD! Why did you do this?" Data: "The sales-people at Microsoft were very convincing, sir." Picard: "I hope that you at least have a backup!!" Data: "Yes, sir. Is that really necessary, sir?" Picard: "Well, of course it is! Wouldn't restoring your old system be the logical thing to do??!!" Data: "Logic, sir? I apologize... all logic was thrown out when MS Vista went in..."
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