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Post by Baz on Feb 6, 2008 7:47:34 GMT 1
Only have a coupla days left of my holidays  , so have spent many hours checking info on the forum and testing. Thank you for your encouragement Mark. I am a bit frustrated at the fact the model now ignores the hull for a few issues, but as they say "variety is the spice" In planning ahead, I have viewed a variety of construction methods regarding the bow, stern and second planking , causing me to ask if penguins inhabit all Bismarck build sites ? The stern I'll leave as there seem to be specific answers to a variety of variables Lets start at bow There are 2 pieces to fit atop the resin anchor section part 65 received in issue 21 part 206 to be received in issue 43, (I think this is correct) From construction to date, my piece 65 sits flush with the first 3 ply decking, meaning piece 206 will protrude above by its thickness.  Has anybody come across this problem to date and what is their solution ? Also re David's posting for gunnls'n gutters ( that is just fantastic work David - congrats mate) I also was planning to attach a toe rail (?), but using wood instead - see plan A below   This will work only if there is double planking for the citidel armour section. I realise I will have bow & stern problems, but I'll look at possible solutions later  Noting there are sections for the bow and stern supplied in issue 42, do we double plank the complete hull ? Previewing this ..........sounds like gobbldy gook, hope it makes sense to you all out there Baz |
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Post by metallisam on Feb 6, 2008 10:48:19 GMT 1
baz i thought i had the same problem but it turns out you don't stick 206 onto 65. 206 is only used as a guide for drawing around and then filing off.
thanks swanrail.
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Post by Baz on Feb 6, 2008 11:04:50 GMT 1
Ahhh !!!!!!!!!!!!! Beaut Thanks for that Metallisam  . Problem 1 solved. |
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 6, 2008 12:01:01 GMT 1
Yea Baz Metallism is right. As for your second question: No there is only 1 lot of planking for the armour belt and not it does not extend up to cover the side of the deck. BUT if you go and have a look in Swanrails Modifications section and then the Side Extension thread you will see how he has put an extra plank ontop of the armour belt. You will have to sand down the decking to fit in but it will be a better water tight fit. He has also reinforced the top of those planks by putting some thick wood strips between the frame. If you go have a look at my build you will see these reinforcing parts: buildthebismark.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=diarys&action=display&thread=1200867507&page=2Its reply 16 on my thread. Hope that helps |
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Post by david on Feb 6, 2008 22:39:42 GMT 1
Congratulations Baz on taking the leap into the gutters/gunnels/toe-rails/the unknown, or whatever the hell they are called! It’s only dawned on me recently that Hatchette/Amati has incorrectly provided too great a step between the belt armour and the citadel armour because they are not putting a 45-degree bevel on the belt armour; my guess is that they are making the step broader to trick the eye into compensating for the absence of the bevel, perhaps because they think it is too difficult to achieve. Your model shows the build prior to the second planking and already there is a near 1mm step. When this is added to by the 1mm second planking, the step will be closer to 2mm, however, your scheme with the wooden strips (if carried down to the top of the belt armour) will probably close this down to the required 1mm. (wearing my anorak, it should be about 0.9mm).
At the suggestion of your fellow countryman Greg, I shall shortly be starting a build diary where I shall put up some pictures of my belt armour efforts. David
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Post by trevor on Feb 7, 2008 0:21:39 GMT 1
Hi baz, having followed the comments on this forum and seeing the reults, I followed the route of planking right upto the deck with the second planking and then putting two rows of planks where the armour belt should be, sanding down the lower row of planks to the existing hull, I have taken a couple of photos which I am including   My camera is not that good at taking close ups. Trevor |
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Post by trevor on Feb 7, 2008 0:33:12 GMT 1
Hi again Baz, I've taken another three photos which are a bit more focused,    Trevor |
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 7, 2008 0:40:17 GMT 1
I think I am sort of with you trevor. Unfortunately those images don't really show much. So being the modeller I am I have attached a diagram. Is this what you mean or not?  |
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Post by trevor on Feb 7, 2008 0:51:55 GMT 1
Hi afkmatrix, yes thats about it, except the second planking goes right upto top of deck.
Trevor
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Post by Baz on Feb 7, 2008 1:34:53 GMT 1
Thank you guys and gal for all the suggestions. Just picked up issue 25 from the Newsagent. Superstructure........bah humbug. Want to finish the hull............... Its a bit damp, cool and overcast, can't do much outside, so might head to the shed and try a section along the citidel armour, will post the result later today. I will be using some left over Beech. I planned to redeck my ancient Billings 'Norske Love' with it, but will be perfect for this. Its fantastic stuff. 4.0mm x 0.5mm x 900mm. You can tie it in knots and it won't break.... bit tongue in cheek. Might even use this for the Bismarck decking, but will wait and see what Hachette has to offer when the time comes. I will not be using the printed deck, thats for sure. Thanks again Baz  |
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Post by Baz on Feb 7, 2008 6:54:43 GMT 1
Here is the result. Yes David, you are right, with the second layer of planking on the main section of the hull, I will get a 1mm lip.   Baz |
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 7, 2008 10:41:03 GMT 1
Hi Baz, That looks promising Baz  . I assume that the plank you have marked as experimental is the start of the second planking layer? Or have you already applied the second layer and this is an extra 3rd plank ontop? And how thick is that Beech second planking? |
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Post by Baz on Feb 7, 2008 11:37:07 GMT 1
Hi Afk
Experimental plank is waste planking from first layer, sanded down to 1mm as a test.
I'm in Oz and 20 weeks or so behind you guys, so no access to 2nd planks for months
Beech planking is 0.5mm wide
Baz
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Post by Baz on Feb 7, 2008 12:00:58 GMT 1
Hi Afk Experimental plank is waste planking from first layer, sanded down to 1mm as a test. Its just pinned there, not glued. Beech planking is 0.5mm wide Actually, I think it's too thin Looking at a picture on page 55 'The Bismarck - History & Destiny'- supplied in magazine, Capt Lindemann is stepping aboard. The distance between the gunnel ( toe rail) to the edge of hull is about 250 mm wide ( look at his shoe ). David has it right with a 1mm strip. Looks like I need to add another layer of Beech I'm in Oz and 15 weeks or so behind you guys, so no access to 2nd planks for months. Baz |
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Post by afkmatrix on Feb 7, 2008 23:30:08 GMT 1
Hmm been looking at my model and pics of the Bismarck. The Images show quite a hefty recess on the ship but on my model there is probably around a .5mm recess. It seems with the first layer of planking that I did not get much of a recess at all, so all I have is the thickness of the second layer of planking. I am thinking if I have any of the 5mm x 1.5mm planking left after doing the deck extension I may glue 2 rows onto the second layer of planking at the recess point and then sand them down so I have around a 1mm step.
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, so have spent many hours checking info on the forum and testing.
. Problem 1 solved.
. I assume that the plank you have marked as experimental is the start of the second planking layer? Or have you already applied the second layer and this is an extra 3rd plank ontop? And how thick is that Beech second planking?