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Post by rod on Nov 10, 2009 0:16:00 GMT 1
This should put your doubts to rest Baz. You can't get much better than a colour photo of the Bismarck wreck.  Question is, why have the other builders missed it. It was obviously put on at some stage before the battle but after it left the builders yard. Rod |
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Post by swanrail on Nov 10, 2009 0:38:31 GMT 1
Excellant research Rod.
In my collection, neither the shipyard model or the large model at Bletchley Park have it fitted. There is something there, hanging on the wall but not possible to identify it.
In the book by Jack Brower, he shows another version where the rails are all at the same level, and no searchlight is fitted. There appears to be a gap in the solid railing behind it though.
As is well known, various bits were changed, removed, or altered quite frequently in the last year of the ships life, and as the builders model would have been quite early on, with other modellers using whatewver info they coud glean, there are bound to be discrencies!
I am scratch building the Waverley at the moment, and it is quite alarming how often things are changed. My model has white railings for instance, as all my photos of the ship showed. However, when I did a trip on her in Sept last was horrified to find that all the railings are now aluminium painted. There were also many other changes, so to make an accurate model, you have to define a date for your model!! We already know the many changes in the paintwork which took place in the final few weeks of the Bismarck!
So it you do not fancy making the two (port and starboard) searchlights, then delete the whole railing section!!!
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Post by Baz on Nov 10, 2009 1:00:55 GMT 1
This should put your doubts to rest Baz. You can't get much better than a colour photo of the Bismarck wreck. Rod Brilliant work Mr Holmes ........  Thou' shalt be richly rewarded. ;D ;D ;D In actual fact, building the section was easy, but attaching it neatly was a problem.The railings didn't fit snugly against the the rondels, so I did some chopping and filing before I fitted them. I do wonder how the crew accessed that area though. Maybe Don gave us the answer. Baz |
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Post by rod on Nov 10, 2009 2:00:06 GMT 1
I think from the platform its attached to there is some railings and I would imagine they either climbed through them or just unlatched the chains and walked through. I'm more interested in why they built the platform - the Captain obviously needed it for a reason. Richly rewarded huh... Well I like slim tall pure blondes.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   just kidding.. it only took me 15 minutes to find the photo.. cheers Rod |
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Post by Baz on Nov 10, 2009 9:56:25 GMT 1
just kidding.. it only took me 15 minutes to find the photo.. cheers Rod ....... ;D ;D ;D ;D Pure blondes eh ? I think Chill mentioned Cote de Pablo Might just enjoy watching her tonite too ......   .........oh and yes its amazing what information you can find these days by letting your fingers do the searching .... Didn't find your reference photo though....  Thanks again for your help Rod Baz |
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Post by rem2007 on Nov 10, 2009 19:22:45 GMT 1
....now there's realism for you.
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Post by Baz on Nov 11, 2009 23:30:57 GMT 1
Well folks I've come unstuck in a big way again. My implements of destruction have achieved just that .....  Issue 117 supplies a fret of brass parts, some with instructions in issue 118 Last night I attempted to build the sections that attach below the half mushrooms on either side of the funnel  I had no pliers small or strong enough to bend the railings accurately along the indented lines. Will now have to fabricate 2 new pieces from scratch   The other 2 are still on the fret, so I will cut off the railings and attach them to a piece of spare flat sprue That is about the best solution I can think of, unless someone out there can suggest something easier. Baz |
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Post by rushzombie on Nov 11, 2009 23:55:44 GMT 1
had the same problem myself ,had to scratch build 1
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Post by Mark on Nov 12, 2009 22:46:17 GMT 1
The only thing I can think of, and I'm really not sure how successful it will be, is to heat up the parts to a cherry red and then let them cool. This will soften the brass and make it much easier to bend. Both deliberately and accidentally !
Try it on a spare/scrap piece first, and be careful not to melt the thin bits (easy to do) or burn your fingers (even easier to do !!)
I tried this myself once, on something other than the Bismarck, and it made the parts too soft and too easy to damage, but it might be OK on a smaller piece. Just don't blame me if it all ends in tears !
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Post by Baz on Nov 16, 2009 22:37:18 GMT 1
The only thing I can think of, and I'm really not sure how successful it will be, is to heat up the parts to a cherry red and then let them cool. ......... Just don't blame me if it all ends in tears ! Yeah, yeah Mark ...... knowing my luck I'd burn the house down I've decided to try and get a replacement fret. Using the more sensible method of cutting the railings off and attaching them to a small flat piece of excess sprue was easy and worked well   This is the first section where I could have thrown bits on the floor instead of them pinging into the black hole themselves. Getting pieces set up and glued in their correct position was a pain in the ..... ..... ! Looking at the piece when finally fitted, it looks fine on the flat vertical section of the funnel  However, The front or forward section is just miles out ...... I thought I had constructed the unit incorrectly, but looking at photos of the magazine build, it would seem this is the expected result, which is a bit disappointing. I will need to do some modifications to make it look correct. Luckily I have not glued it in place.   Completed the the foremast No problems at all, in fact, it went together really well once I read the instructions, checked a photo, and turned the crosstree and placed it in its correct orientation .... Doh ....   And still a tad more action on the funnel cap ...... bit of an ongoing saga here Mark ......   Baz |
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Post by nm on Nov 16, 2009 22:57:45 GMT 1
That deserves another K.
nm
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Post by Baz on Nov 16, 2009 23:08:47 GMT 1
That deserves another K. nm No nm ........ more like I need a clip around the ears for not being observant and reading instructions ...... Baz ..... |
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Post by poulw on Nov 17, 2009 9:06:46 GMT 1
117 coming this week Poul Having a look at the issues 123 supplies 1 plane, 2 canopies, 2 engine cowls and the fretwork for 2 planes. Issue 124 supplies 1 plane Issue 125 the decals No need for a duplicate issue 126 - just gives instructions only. I can scan and send them to you If you only want 1 plane, I will buy duplicates of these issues , send 1 plane to you and keep one for the PE too. Baz Hi Baz, I thought there were 3 planes with Bissy  I've had a look at PE, and I think I'll need at least 2 planes as there is a "supply tunnel" for the Arados where I need one with the wings folded. My Newsagent has assured me that he is on it, so it should be alright. Thanks anyway for the offer, and it would be great if you can scan the instructions for me  |
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Post by Achtung!! on Nov 17, 2009 9:53:07 GMT 1
Ta for that. Have a k - you havethe same problem with the bits snapping like I did,
So when my dockyard opens agains - i ll do the same as you.
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Post by swanrail on Nov 17, 2009 18:37:54 GMT 1
When the Bissy sank, there were two planes on board. In issue 139 page 416, they found the two in the after hangar when they went down to the wreck, albeit only charred remains!
There is also a mystery as to why the rails used for the cradles were deployed, only normally done when the aircraft are brought out, wonder if someone thought that they could fly off and out of trouble?
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